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A collection of Barack Obama's greatest speeches selected and introduced by columnist E.J. Dionne and MSNBC host Joy-Ann Reid. We Are the Change We Seek is a collection of Barack Obama's 26 greatest addresses: beginning with his 2002 speech opposing the Iraq War and closing with his final speech before the United Nations in September 2016. As president, Obama's words had th A collection of Barack Obama's greatest speeches selected and introduced by columnist E.J. Dionne and MSNBC host Joy-Ann Reid. We Are the Change We Seek is a collection of Barack Obama's 26 greatest addresses: beginning with his 2002 speech opposing the Iraq War and closing with his final speech before the United Nations in September 2016. As president, Obama's words had the power to move the country, and often the world, as few presidents before him. Whether acting as Commander in Chief or Consoler in Chief, Obama adopted a unique rhetorical style that could simultaneously speak to the national mood and change the course of public events. Obama's eloquence, both written and spoken, propelled him to national prominence and ultimately made it possible for the son of a Kenyan man and a white woman from Kansas to become the first black president of the United States. These speeches span Obama's career--from his time in state government through to the end of his tenure as president--and the issues most important to our time: war, inequality, race relations, gun violence and human rights. The book opens with an essay placing Obama's oratorical contributions within the flow of American history by E.J. Dionne Jr., columnist and author of Why The Right Went Wrong, and Joy Reid, the host of AM Joy on MSNBC and author of Fracture. - See more at: http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/we-are-t...


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A collection of Barack Obama's greatest speeches selected and introduced by columnist E.J. Dionne and MSNBC host Joy-Ann Reid. We Are the Change We Seek is a collection of Barack Obama's 26 greatest addresses: beginning with his 2002 speech opposing the Iraq War and closing with his final speech before the United Nations in September 2016. As president, Obama's words had th A collection of Barack Obama's greatest speeches selected and introduced by columnist E.J. Dionne and MSNBC host Joy-Ann Reid. We Are the Change We Seek is a collection of Barack Obama's 26 greatest addresses: beginning with his 2002 speech opposing the Iraq War and closing with his final speech before the United Nations in September 2016. As president, Obama's words had the power to move the country, and often the world, as few presidents before him. Whether acting as Commander in Chief or Consoler in Chief, Obama adopted a unique rhetorical style that could simultaneously speak to the national mood and change the course of public events. Obama's eloquence, both written and spoken, propelled him to national prominence and ultimately made it possible for the son of a Kenyan man and a white woman from Kansas to become the first black president of the United States. These speeches span Obama's career--from his time in state government through to the end of his tenure as president--and the issues most important to our time: war, inequality, race relations, gun violence and human rights. The book opens with an essay placing Obama's oratorical contributions within the flow of American history by E.J. Dionne Jr., columnist and author of Why The Right Went Wrong, and Joy Reid, the host of AM Joy on MSNBC and author of Fracture. - See more at: http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/we-are-t...

30 review for We Are the Change We Seek: The Speeches of Barack Obama

  1. 4 out of 5

    Jennifer

    I want this on Audible.

  2. 5 out of 5

    Joshua

    Barack Obama was the first President I ever voted for. Part of it was because he was black, but beneath that was his rhetoric. Whatever is said about former President Obama the man was a gifted orator and rhetorician, and lying at the heart of every one of his speeches there is one fundamental message: hope. The speeches collected in this book represent Obama's the best of Obama's ability as an orator, and each speech is introduced with a brief explanation of the context and cultural climate in w Barack Obama was the first President I ever voted for. Part of it was because he was black, but beneath that was his rhetoric. Whatever is said about former President Obama the man was a gifted orator and rhetorician, and lying at the heart of every one of his speeches there is one fundamental message: hope. The speeches collected in this book represent Obama's the best of Obama's ability as an orator, and each speech is introduced with a brief explanation of the context and cultural climate in which it was delivered. Whether it is his remarks on the death of Trayvon Martin, the necessity for a world-wide effort to curb the effects of Climate change, or even his early speeches in which the man steadily establishes his public voices. These speeches are a pleasure to read because of the man's eloquence and depth of thought. This book is a lovely resource for future historians and biographers of the President, or for anyone who simply studies the craft of public and political rhetoric. For my own part it was a chance to see the growth a politician who meant so much to me when I was just eighteen and casting my first vote. Even when I disagreed with the President, or felt a course of action was a bad move, there was always a careful effort to communicate what was in his heart and thoughts, and try to unite voters and citizens with a positive message that reinforced the idea that democracy is what you make it and what you are willing to give to it.

  3. 5 out of 5

    Michael Munns

    It seems like an eternity ago when we had a president worth quoting.

  4. 4 out of 5

    Vowelor Books

    We Are The Change We Seek is a collection of 26 greatest speeches of Barack Obama. The book has been written by E.J. Dionne Jr. and Joy-Ann Reid. We Are The Change We Seek consists of Barack Obama’s best speeches; starting from the 2002 speech against the Iraq War and ending with Obama’s last speech at the United Nations in September 2016. The book We Are The Change We Seek: The Speeches of Barack Obama was released on 10 Jan 2017. This book brilliantly covers the inspiring words of ex-president We Are The Change We Seek is a collection of 26 greatest speeches of Barack Obama. The book has been written by E.J. Dionne Jr. and Joy-Ann Reid. We Are The Change We Seek consists of Barack Obama’s best speeches; starting from the 2002 speech against the Iraq War and ending with Obama’s last speech at the United Nations in September 2016. The book We Are The Change We Seek: The Speeches of Barack Obama was released on 10 Jan 2017. This book brilliantly covers the inspiring words of ex-president Barack Obama which makes it a must-read. The book also portrays the recent history of America weaved into the speeches of Obama. ...see review

  5. 5 out of 5

    Nicki Lamirault

    During this time in politics and with the troubles plaguing our government and our nation, it was inspiring to read this book. I know that I will read it again, especially when I'm my most pessimistic feelings. Obama is forever the optimist and he has taught all of us a lesson in believing you can reach for the stars and in acknowledging what a blessing it is even if you only reach the moon. He did great things and suffered disappointments and held the nations hand through tragedies. The speeche During this time in politics and with the troubles plaguing our government and our nation, it was inspiring to read this book. I know that I will read it again, especially when I'm my most pessimistic feelings. Obama is forever the optimist and he has taught all of us a lesson in believing you can reach for the stars and in acknowledging what a blessing it is even if you only reach the moon. He did great things and suffered disappointments and held the nations hand through tragedies. The speeches included in this book reflect on many of those moments and remind us what a thoughtful, talented and articulate leader Mr. Obama was.

  6. 4 out of 5

    Lisa

    This collection of President Barack Obama's speeches during his campaign and presidency had me wishing he were still the President. I like his politics, but even those who don't must admire his articulate, moving writing and delivery of his ideas in these speeches, as well as his great style and wisdom. The speeches are in chronological order, so this book is also wonderful trip through recent history, good and bad. Each speech is preceded by a headnote that describes the circumstances in which This collection of President Barack Obama's speeches during his campaign and presidency had me wishing he were still the President. I like his politics, but even those who don't must admire his articulate, moving writing and delivery of his ideas in these speeches, as well as his great style and wisdom. The speeches are in chronological order, so this book is also wonderful trip through recent history, good and bad. Each speech is preceded by a headnote that describes the circumstances in which it was given. Excellent work by an excellent man and President.

  7. 4 out of 5

    Barbara (The Bibliophage)

    E.J. Dionne and Joy-Ann Reid edited this volume of selected speeches by President Barack Obama. The 27 speeches date from 2002 to 2017, and include some well-known and some more obscure moments. Each speech has an introduction from the editors that puts in context, plus there’s an introductory essay. For me, picking up this book happened for two reasons. One was because I enjoyed David Litt’s book about working as a speechwriter in the Obama White House. He talked so much about the craft that I w E.J. Dionne and Joy-Ann Reid edited this volume of selected speeches by President Barack Obama. The 27 speeches date from 2002 to 2017, and include some well-known and some more obscure moments. Each speech has an introduction from the editors that puts in context, plus there’s an introductory essay. For me, picking up this book happened for two reasons. One was because I enjoyed David Litt’s book about working as a speechwriter in the Obama White House. He talked so much about the craft that I wanted to revisit the speeches themselves. Secondly, I intended to pair this book with the much darker and more difficult book, The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump. You may differ from me, but I found the Obama book uplifting, and the Trump book depressing. So, in order to complete the difficult book, I doled them both out in tandem. It definitely helped. As I mentioned, some of the Obama speeches included are more well-known. For example, both of his inauguration speeches and his farewell speech are included. But I appreciated reading early speeches from before he was an Illinois Senator. And the speeches he gave after Newtown and Charleston were as spine-tingling and emotional as ever. Especially because the Charleston speech was next up for me after the recent shooting in Christchurch. My conclusions If you, like me, remember a day when your President appeared Presidential, then this is a book for you. Obama is a voracious reader, an accomplished scholar, and an eloquent orator. He knows how to reach an audience, even through the written word. I have to admit, I can almost hear his voice in my head as I read. So, yeah, I’m a fangirl. I think the editors did an effective job of choosing speeches to illustrate the trajectory of Obama’s career and presidency. Dionne and Reid have plenty of writing and media credentials, so their insights offer meaning. They chose some speeches I’d never have heard on TV, like remarks Obama gave at a birthday party for Congressman John Lewis. Others I recall listening to and seeing clips from for days on end, like the remarks after Osama bin Laden was killed. The balance worked for me. Gathering speeches from Barack Obama into a book allowed me to revisit values that are important to me. I sunk into the memories of the times those speeches evoked. And I might reread a speech now and again, in response to future events. It’s a worthwhile book for my shelves. And my heart. For more reviews of politically-oriented books, please visit my book blog, TheBibliophage.com.

  8. 5 out of 5

    Andrea Engle

    This collection of 25 speeches by former President Barack Obama testifies to his magnificent eloquence ... cogently reasoned and pertinent to each occasion, these speeches highlight his wisdom and tolerance ... if only our technology were such that each written document could be accompanied by its videotape ... to end with Obama's mantra: "God bless you. And God bless the United States of America." This collection of 25 speeches by former President Barack Obama testifies to his magnificent eloquence ... cogently reasoned and pertinent to each occasion, these speeches highlight his wisdom and tolerance ... if only our technology were such that each written document could be accompanied by its videotape ... to end with Obama's mantra: "God bless you. And God bless the United States of America."

  9. 4 out of 5

    Claudio

    The speeches are great and powerful. Obama is always inspiring. He definitely knows how to communicate I was a bit disappointed by the audible version, as they had somebody else reading Obama’s speeches. I recommend to search the speeches on YouTube

  10. 5 out of 5

    Jessica

    This was my Presidents Day 2017 read. I purchased because it had both inaugural addresses as well as his farewell address. I was pleased to find it also contained his speech about Sandy Hook and his comments about how Trayvon Martin "could have been my son." Highly recommended. This was my Presidents Day 2017 read. I purchased because it had both inaugural addresses as well as his farewell address. I was pleased to find it also contained his speech about Sandy Hook and his comments about how Trayvon Martin "could have been my son." Highly recommended.

  11. 4 out of 5

    Linda

    It was so nice to have the positive up lifting experience. Rather you were an Obama backer, or not, I think you would find this a boost to your spirits

  12. 5 out of 5

    Stewart

    This was a really enjoyable and dynamic read. Although it likely appeals more to those who share President Obama's political ideology, it is definitely worthwhile for anyone interested in governance, rhetoric, and 21st century politics. Overall, the editors have done a good job selecting speeches from a variety of fields and policy fields, but put a definite emphasis on race and religion, recurring themes during Obama's presidency. Conversely, there seemed to be comparatively few selections from This was a really enjoyable and dynamic read. Although it likely appeals more to those who share President Obama's political ideology, it is definitely worthwhile for anyone interested in governance, rhetoric, and 21st century politics. Overall, the editors have done a good job selecting speeches from a variety of fields and policy fields, but put a definite emphasis on race and religion, recurring themes during Obama's presidency. Conversely, there seemed to be comparatively few selections from campaign rallies, partisan events, and State of the Union addresses. This likely had the effect of avoiding repetition or less engaging policy pieces, while effectively presenting the best and most captivating of the President's speeches. Absolutely worth a read!

  13. 4 out of 5

    Jeremiah K

    I needed this book to serve as an antidote to the current political climate. Obama is one of the few adult males who I respect and look up to as a role model - who inspires me. This book - a collection of his speeches - represents him and his message well. Read it if you need a reminder of what America (and American leadership) can and should be.

  14. 5 out of 5

    Dan Pasquini

    There is no question about Obama's eloquence. And the speeches -- particularly those focused around healing and the hard-won progress of good old fashioned democracy -- can be a balm in these rancorous times. But a lot of the effect is lost when those words are divorced from the speaker -- the cadence, the smile, the control of the crowd. Videos of most of these speeches can be easily found online; so what is the purpose of this book? It's nice to have many of the 'greatest hits' in once place, There is no question about Obama's eloquence. And the speeches -- particularly those focused around healing and the hard-won progress of good old fashioned democracy -- can be a balm in these rancorous times. But a lot of the effect is lost when those words are divorced from the speaker -- the cadence, the smile, the control of the crowd. Videos of most of these speeches can be easily found online; so what is the purpose of this book? It's nice to have many of the 'greatest hits' in once place, I suppose. But they're introduced with the scantest historical or political context and zero in the way of analyzing the oratory (contrast with something like Lend Me Your Ears: Great Speeches in History), which makes this collection feel mostly like a giant pile of words and a cheap cash-in on instant nostalgia.

  15. 4 out of 5

    Anu

    Wow! Political speech in America went from this to now!? How? This book is a collection of over two dozen powerful, insightful and moving speeches. I’d never heard a full address by Obama and boy, is he good or what!? Credit to Jon Favreau and other speechwriters. Obama’s narrative is strong, gracious and unifying - compelling even opponents to pay heed. Deducting a star cuz the audible book is “read” by someone instead of compiling recordings of Obama speak. Had to buy another book with fewer s Wow! Political speech in America went from this to now!? How? This book is a collection of over two dozen powerful, insightful and moving speeches. I’d never heard a full address by Obama and boy, is he good or what!? Credit to Jon Favreau and other speechwriters. Obama’s narrative is strong, gracious and unifying - compelling even opponents to pay heed. Deducting a star cuz the audible book is “read” by someone instead of compiling recordings of Obama speak. Had to buy another book with fewer speeches compiled from recordings of the live speeches. YouTube had the rest. The speeches are truly stellar oratory material.

  16. 4 out of 5

    Kristen

    This is a really good selection of who Obama was as a President, who he is as a person, commentary on our society and what (in his eyes) needs to be done. It's been heartbreaking to read some of the speeches again because of the subject matter (Newtown, for example, had me in tears again) but it's been ultimately very uplifting. He really has hope for the future and a strong belief that most people are innately good. I'm glad I decided to read it! This is a really good selection of who Obama was as a President, who he is as a person, commentary on our society and what (in his eyes) needs to be done. It's been heartbreaking to read some of the speeches again because of the subject matter (Newtown, for example, had me in tears again) but it's been ultimately very uplifting. He really has hope for the future and a strong belief that most people are innately good. I'm glad I decided to read it!

  17. 5 out of 5

    Ed Grimmer

    Well selected collection of his speeches. Excellent portrayal of his tenets for social order, the role of the individual with rights and responsibilities for political order and the betterment of life, for all. Freedom to pursue the individual’s dreams, balanced with the responsibilities to community. All is premised upon respect for the dignity in all others that we seek others to recognize in ourselves, and which we hold as our own dignity

  18. 4 out of 5

    Mike

    This book is a selection of speeches of Barack Obama including a few before his Presidency. I will simply say it was inspiring to read his words and makes me long for the days when we had a President that tried to bring people together.

  19. 4 out of 5

    Julia Rivière

    I cried at every single speech. That's how good it is. I cried at every single speech. That's how good it is.

  20. 4 out of 5

    Mary Sanchez

    A collection of twenty six speeches by Barrack Obama up to September 2017. It was good reading the entire speeches especially since we only got the highlights from the news.

  21. 4 out of 5

    Courtney

    It's hard and sad and frustrating to read this in our current political climate It's hard and sad and frustrating to read this in our current political climate

  22. 4 out of 5

    Roberta

    This book was my husband's present for Christmas and I can't imagine a better and more timely gift. Much has been written on President Obama's oratory style, but I needed to go back to the source to get some oxygen in these dark times. And what an inspirational collection of speeches I was offered! I really believe President Obama is the greatest orator of our times. The resonance, the depth and the musicality of his speeches are unique and the power of his words so amazing. I enjoyed this book at This book was my husband's present for Christmas and I can't imagine a better and more timely gift. Much has been written on President Obama's oratory style, but I needed to go back to the source to get some oxygen in these dark times. And what an inspirational collection of speeches I was offered! I really believe President Obama is the greatest orator of our times. The resonance, the depth and the musicality of his speeches are unique and the power of his words so amazing. I enjoyed this book at a level that I cannot say. It was at the same time reinvigorating because of the reminder of a time when an American President used to communicate with more than a tweet, but also terribly depressing because of that contrast and because one may wonder how Obama's America could have left the place to today's America. Reading this book was a journey, both wonderful and painful, as it had been for me reading about the "ten letters a day" last year(https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/ma...). All the speeches included in this collection struck a chord with me, but three of them spoke to my heart more than the others. The first is the speech he gave at Sandy Hook Elementary School few days after the shooting. I cried so much I could hardly get to the end of it. This is the best example of Obama's compassion, empathy, sincerity. Speaking there was Obama the father, griefing for the loss of a son, and the President, taking the promise to address the issue of gun violence. This was a President who was not afraid of crying in public, during a press conference, when mentioning those kids: his humanity will not be forgotten. The second speech I really loved was the one at Howard University commencement: that was a powerful one! President Obama's optimism, his sense of history, the way he dealt with the racial divide in America, his capacity to inspire the youth… that remains his best legacy for me. And finally, his farewell speech in Chicago, delivered once he knew what would come next and, despite that and despite the threats to democracy, one where he was still able to remain optimist and confident in the ability of American people to bring positive change. The authors of this collection did a good job, both in the choice of the speeches (but I missed the one Obama delivered in Greece towards the end of his presidency) and in the way they presented them, with a short introduction to each of them to put them into context. I must say that I would have preferred a longer introduction, with more of "behind the scene" for each speech (who made the first draft, how much the President changed it, under what circumstances it was conceived...). I learned for example that on the way to Newtown (the weather conditions did not allow him to travel by elicopter, so he travelled by car), he felt that the speech he was supposed to deliver was not what he wanted to say and he rewrote it from scratch, making it the most emotional of all his speeches, one which even the secret service staff listened to with tears. So, all in all, I would give 4 stars to the editorial work and more than 5 stars to the content of the speeches and the idea to collect some of them in a book. The speeches span from when Obama was a senator to the end of his Presidency and what is amazing is to note that the exercise of power did not add one gramme of cynicism to his vision. His values are uncompromised, his optimism untouched, his famous slogan still true. I am not American, I am European. But Presidency Obama is badly missed on this side of the Atlantic as well. I hope that, despite his uncomfortable position right know, he will come back on the political scene. We need his guidance, we need his rhetoric strength, we need his encouraging words, we need his model, today more than ever.

  23. 4 out of 5

    Sophie

    I am hopeful. Despite the current state of American politics and the impact it is having on the World. Because there is just something about Obama's Speeches and We Are the Change We Seek that can't help but make one feel hopeful knowing that there is still this kind of leadership and progress, and beliefs in the World. I literally savoured every single speech in this book. I have needed every single word of Obama to deal with our current times. I have wanted so much from the speeches, but mostl I am hopeful. Despite the current state of American politics and the impact it is having on the World. Because there is just something about Obama's Speeches and We Are the Change We Seek that can't help but make one feel hopeful knowing that there is still this kind of leadership and progress, and beliefs in the World. I literally savoured every single speech in this book. I have needed every single word of Obama to deal with our current times. I have wanted so much from the speeches, but mostly I have just wanted Obama to be President again. And since that is not possible (at least not Barack - heres looking at you Michelle!), I have learnt to be hopeful when we can, and to do more for others, and not just hope for the best, but be better, be the change we don't just seek, but need. I have lived through every one of these speeches, I have felt all of it, and at times I have smiled with joy and cried with sorrow - but it has always brought me hope and the desire to change for the better to not just look at people like Obama to lead us, but for each and everyone of us to lead the World to do better, to be better. And for that I am hopeful.

  24. 4 out of 5

    Athena lene ro

    The time we live in today requires optimism, we could focus on the terrors of war, we could think of the damage that we human beings have brought about to the environment, we could think of the class of the privilege and their wealth gained at the expense of the middle and low income class. But we need to think, we need to look beyond this because change requires the people to rise up. Power is in the hands of its citizens, we cannot afford to be apathetic, we cannot be complacent. "they walk so The time we live in today requires optimism, we could focus on the terrors of war, we could think of the damage that we human beings have brought about to the environment, we could think of the class of the privilege and their wealth gained at the expense of the middle and low income class. But we need to think, we need to look beyond this because change requires the people to rise up. Power is in the hands of its citizens, we cannot afford to be apathetic, we cannot be complacent. "they walk so that we can ran, we ran so that our children, they can fly"

  25. 5 out of 5

    Melissa Gors-Schafer

    I find this man and his words and ideas stirring and thoughtful, and I miss his leadership. My oldest granddaughter, around 8 at the time, saw I was reading it when she and her younger sister were visiting me one time, and asked me to read some of it to them at bedtime (instead of the usual kids' books I'd read) and I was surprised but, she explained - in her 8 yr old way - how nice of a man he seemed and she wanted to hear what he had to say. I don't know if she understood it all but, she liste I find this man and his words and ideas stirring and thoughtful, and I miss his leadership. My oldest granddaughter, around 8 at the time, saw I was reading it when she and her younger sister were visiting me one time, and asked me to read some of it to them at bedtime (instead of the usual kids' books I'd read) and I was surprised but, she explained - in her 8 yr old way - how nice of a man he seemed and she wanted to hear what he had to say. I don't know if she understood it all but, she listened intently to it all that I read. Says a lot, it even made sense to her.

  26. 5 out of 5

    Kim Kiernan

    Reading the words of President Obama from some of his most famous speeches has been both uplifting and gratifying, while at the same time hard to look back at what a great man we had as president and where we are today. It's hard for me to believe as I read his thoughts and words that anyone could find fault with him. There is no pleasing everyone, I guess. But I'm grateful to have lived under his presidency and learned from his guidance. God bless you, President Obama! Reading the words of President Obama from some of his most famous speeches has been both uplifting and gratifying, while at the same time hard to look back at what a great man we had as president and where we are today. It's hard for me to believe as I read his thoughts and words that anyone could find fault with him. There is no pleasing everyone, I guess. But I'm grateful to have lived under his presidency and learned from his guidance. God bless you, President Obama!

  27. 4 out of 5

    chippyvale

    I'd long been an admirer of former President Barack Obama; I jumped at the opportunity to read this when I found a copy at the library. There are several lessons that we can draw on and the book has several inspirational quotes as well. I would give this compilation of his speeches ten stars if I could! I'd long been an admirer of former President Barack Obama; I jumped at the opportunity to read this when I found a copy at the library. There are several lessons that we can draw on and the book has several inspirational quotes as well. I would give this compilation of his speeches ten stars if I could!

  28. 4 out of 5

    Eddie

    It should not be forgotten what an outstanding orator President Barack Obama was/is. Contained here are 27 selected speeches chronologically ordered from 2002 - 2017. Since all of us have heard him speak numerous times, the voice in my head, as I was reading, was Barack Obama's. It was a refreshing journey; one I may take again in its entirety or just hit some of the favorites: 'A More Perfect Union', 'Amazing Grace', or the 'Trayvon Martin' speech. It should not be forgotten what an outstanding orator President Barack Obama was/is. Contained here are 27 selected speeches chronologically ordered from 2002 - 2017. Since all of us have heard him speak numerous times, the voice in my head, as I was reading, was Barack Obama's. It was a refreshing journey; one I may take again in its entirety or just hit some of the favorites: 'A More Perfect Union', 'Amazing Grace', or the 'Trayvon Martin' speech.

  29. 4 out of 5

    Linda Williams

    The voice of the narrator and reader of this book is so amazingly close to President Barack Obama. As the Bible says; “out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks,” and hearing the speeches of our 44th President, tells so much of who he is as a man, husband, father, good citizen and politician. Love this compilation of his powerful and compassionate speeches!

  30. 4 out of 5

    Misty

    Look, sure, Obama was not a perfect president, but I am still so sad that we went from our first black president to our first orange one. I have a lot of thoughts but am far too tired of being outraged all the time to actually explain in detail. I did enjoy this a lot, though.

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